Augustinian and Irenaean Theodicy

• Which soul is Irenaean Theodicy?

  Soul making
• Irenaean Theodicy

  • God is omnipotent and ominbenevolent
  • Humans born with form and not content of God
  • Evil is neccessary to develop and we grow into likeness of God through responsible freewill choices
  • Some evil caused by humans using freewill to disobey God
  • God is also partly responsible for evil and suffering because it is neccesary to achieve reward
• Hick explains this world as a ''Vale of Soul making'' rather than paradise
• Hick believes heavan is open to all because the challenges of this world don't always bring intended development
• Hick believes love for God should come from freewill not automaton love
• So for Hick, God has to allow humans to develop for themselves so that their love is genuine
• Critisms of Irenean Theodicy

  • the idea of heaven for all contradicts bible punishing unrighteousness
  • makes moral behaviour pointless as guaruntee of heaven
  • is this extent of suffering needed
• Which soul is Augustinian Theodicy?

  Soul deciding
• Augustinian Theodicy

  • based on the Fall and sacrifice of Jesus
  • God exists and he is omnipotent and omnibenevolent
  • God created a perfect world
  • Evil does not come from God as things are created ex nihilo and therefore a privation can't be created
  • Evil is a privation
• During the Fall, evil was brought into the world by angels that defected to Satan and it also demonstrated freewill has the potential to actualise evil. God allows evil to remain as a punishment from the Fall
• In the Augustinian Theodicy, natural evil results in breakdown of world order following moral evil
• For Augustine, Jesus is essential for mankinds redemption and those who accept Christ will be saved
• Critisms of Augustinian Theodicy

  • Schleimacher: Logically hated of evil being created out of nothing
  • God either failed to create a perfect world or enabled it to go wrong
  • Contradicts evoloution
  • Hell was designed by God so he knew we would go wrong
  • selection for heaven is irrational inconsistence of God's goodness
• Does Augustine believe the world is created perfect or Imperfect?

  Perfect
• Does Irenaeus believe the world is created perfect or Imperfect?

  Imperfect
• What are created in according to Augustine?

  Image and likeness of God
• What are we created in according to Irenaeus?

  Image but not likeness