-attendance at Hitler youth meetings compulsory by 1939, not all youngsters liked the increasing restrictions and alternative youth groups emerged
-Edelweiss Pirates emerged in working class districts by the late 1930's
-disproportionately more boys who resited the military discipline of Hitler Youth who enjoyed wearing their hair longer, American style clothing and telling anti-nazi jokes
-swing youth were mainly teenage groups located big Northern cities like Berlin, Hamburg and came from middle class families
-inspired by banned American music like jazz and swing
-attendance at illegal dances went up to 6000
-opposition was cultural rather than political and was limited to anti nazi graffiti and jokes up to 1939
-numbers were small, there were 2000 estimated Edelweiss Pirates in 1939 compared to 8 million in the Hitler youth