-first appear in western europe 150 kya and disappear around 39kya
-overlapped with h sapiens.
-lived around the mediterranean, some going to uzbekistan and siberia
-brain case- large, but long and low
-post. view- oval shaped brain case
-midface is prognathic. large nasal aperature
-browridges- large/double arched
-retromolar fossa on mandible. No chin
-DNA is very different from humans
-likely evolved from h heidelbergensis
- sometimes seen as separate species or sometimes subspecies of h sapiens