Pio Valenzuela: 'Aside from the persons mentioned above, among those who were there Briccio Pantas, Alejandro Santiago, Ramon Bernardo, Apolonio Samson, and others. Here, views were only exchanged, and no resolution was debated or adopted. It was at Pugad Lawin, the house, store-house, and yard of Juan Ramos, son of Melchora Aquino, where over 1,000 members of the Katipunan met and carried out considerable debate and discussion on August 23, 1896. The discussion was on whether or not the revolution against the Spanish government should be started on August 29, 1896.. After the tumultuous meeting, many of those present tore their cedulas certificates and shouted " Long live the Philipines! Long Live the Philippines!"'